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« Result #1 Today at 2:57pm » | |
Today at 9:27am, cobweb wrote:| I found it getting too much. I was drawn into several side degrees as well which, at the time, I considered as an honour and was very proud. As time went by I found in many instances it was just a way of keeping the numbers up. |
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Many of us are. It's only after you join the side orders that you start to realise just how much commitment is required.
Quote:| Too many side degrees, too many 'temptations' away from the Blue Lodge. Not only did it become expensive but it started to influence my home life as well. I really do think that members should concentrate on their Blue Lodge masonry for many years, possibly going through the chair, before they consider other degrees (RA excepted). |
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I agree to a point. If everybody waited until they had been through the chair before advancing to the RA the numbers in Chapter would be pitifully small. You'd end up with more members leaving (in a box) than Past Masters joining 
Quote:| I will also admit because of a political situation within my Mother Lodge I have scaled down this as well. A great shame but it all needs a shake up. Hopefully this will happen but I have my suspicions. UGLE should get more involved at grass roots level! |
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Could you expand on this (without revealing too much) please. I've been aware of certain situations recently in Lodges within the Province but thankfully nothing in our own.
I know of one Lodge recently where the election of office bearers was marred by a late challenge from another Brother who had desires on the chair himself. He made sure his position was secured by getting in members who attend very infrequently, and effectively rigged the vote.
Essentially he circumvented the decision of the commitee and the resulting fall-out was very very bad; with the Lodge being split.
The fall-out affected Chapter with the result that one member of the Lodge in question who had petitioned Chapter was black-balled, because of his part in the fiasco.
Who says politics are limited to Westminster.
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| | Author | Topic: The Holy Royal Arch (Read 494 times) |
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« Result #2 Today at 2:45pm » | |
Today at 9:53am, cobweb wrote:
Today at 9:19am, blackknight wrote:
These seemed to be a little quiet over the weekend 
Whereas we beat the Aussies......
Back to the post; were you making a point or just having a bit of fun? |
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What do you think?
You can have 3 guesses. |
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I'll go for Yes, No and Maybe
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| | Author | Topic: The Holy Royal Arch (Read 494 times) |
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« Result #3 Today at 9:53am » | |
Today at 9:19am, blackknight wrote:
Today at 8:17am, cobweb wrote:
These seemed to be a little quiet over the weekend
Whereas we beat the Aussies......
Back to the post; were you making a point or just having a bit of fun? |
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What do you think?
You can have 3 guesses.
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| | Author | Topic: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie (Read 445 times) |
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« Result #4 Today at 9:27am » | |
Today at 9:12am, blackknight wrote:
Today at 8:58am, cobweb wrote:| As for considering leaving for another constitution this I could not do as it would be against all the reasons that I joined a UGLE Lodge in the first place for. Regarding the GLAE? I won't comment on this as a lot has been said about this over the last few months on various forums as I am sure you know, but I will make an observation - I do not like the attitude of their Grand Secretary finding some of the things he says distasteful. |
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Hi Cobweb,
I agree with you with regards to the GS of GLAE. Privately I find him to be a polite and erudite individual, whereas his public persona leaves a lot to be desired. Having said that he has taken a lot of 'flak' over GLAE so perhaps he is entitled to be a little harsh with some of his comments.
I think my problem is that i'm too involved with Freemasonry at the moment, and too sensitive to things that go largely unnoticed by others. It's the little things like people having a private conversation whilst the RWM is talking or whilst the 'Charge' is being worked.
I dont know how you guys fare but up here the Blue Lodge meets 16 times a year, Chapter and Preceptory 8 times each, and the Research Lodge 4 times.
Thats 36 night out without even considering all the inter-visitation that takes place, plus innumerate installations and QC's at GL.
And don't get me started on rehearsals......
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Oh a breath of fresh air.
I found it getting too much. I was drawn into several side degrees as well which, at the time, I considered as an honour and was very proud. As time went by I found in many instances it was just a way of keeping the numbers up.
Too many side degrees, too many 'temptations' away from the Blue Lodge. Not only did it become expensive but it started to influence my home life as well. I really do think that members should concentrate on their Blue Lodge masonry for many years, possibly going through the chair, before they consider other degrees (RA excepted).
I was a late comer into freemasonry so was playing 'catch up'. I have now left Mark & Red Cross of Constantine, I remain a member of Rose Croix & KT but have not attended for years.
I will also admit because of a political situation within my Mother Lodge I have scaled down this as well. A great shame but it all needs a shake up. Hopefully this will happen but I have my suspicions. UGLE should get more involved at grass roots level!
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« Result #5 Today at 9:19am » | |
Today at 8:17am, cobweb wrote:
These seemed to be a little quiet over the weekend
Whereas we beat the Aussies......
Back to the post; were you making a point or just having a bit of fun?
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Result 6 of 100:
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« Result #6 Today at 9:17am » | |
Today at 8:58am, blackknight wrote:
Nov 15, 2009, 4:52pm, cobweb wrote:Hi everyone.
I have joined this forum by invitation and feel I need to explain myself because of some discussions that I was involved in on another Forum.
I am an UGLE Freemason of many years standing very much disgruntled of late with various matters going on within the fraternity and I find that I am now asking myself some serious questions about my Freemasonry.
There is a lot I do not like and I have been asking what possibly could be awkward questions for some advise. What I have got in return though is me being criticised and turned on rather than the help that I had hoped I would receive.
I will read through the posts here and see if it is somewhere I can possibly get some help and advise so can I say 'hello' to you all and hope that we may have some good, enlightening discussions. |
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Hi Cobweb,
Interestingly I found this post of yours just after posting one in a similar vein myself. I can sympathise to a large extent with what you have written and have been having silimar thoughts for a while.
If you need to have a good old whinge about anything but dont feel able to place it on-line then please feel free to PM me.
Perhaps we could start a thread with 'hypothetical' scenarios in it so that others could comment?
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Hi Steve
I would love such a discussion but I fear it would be censored here. I have recently joined another forum, the trestle board, and I see you are also a member there. What about you start a thread there as from what I can see the administrator does not rule so hard.
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Result 7 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie (Read 445 times) |
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| | Re: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie
« Result #7 Today at 9:12am » | |
Today at 8:58am, cobweb wrote:| As for considering leaving for another constitution this I could not do as it would be against all the reasons that I joined a UGLE Lodge in the first place for. Regarding the GLAE? I won't comment on this as a lot has been said about this over the last few months on various forums as I am sure you know, but I will make an observation - I do not like the attitude of their Grand Secretary finding some of the things he says distasteful. |
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Hi Cobweb,
I agree with you with regards to the GS of GLAE. Privately I find him to be a polite and erudite individual, whereas his public persona leaves a lot to be desired. Having said that he has taken a lot of 'flak' over GLAE so perhaps he is entitled to be a little harsh with some of his comments.
I think my problem is that i'm too involved with Freemasonry at the moment, and too sensitive to things that go largely unnoticed by others. It's the little things like people having a private conversation whilst the RWM is talking or whilst the 'Charge' is being worked.
I dont know how you guys fare but up here the Blue Lodge meets 16 times a year, Chapter and Preceptory 8 times each, and the Research Lodge 4 times.
Thats 36 night out without even considering all the inter-visitation that takes place, plus innumerate installations and QC's at GL.
And don't get me started on rehearsals......
Perhaps cutting back a little might my best solution for a while
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Steve Penny
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Result 8 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: Masonic Forum (Read 22 times) |
cobweb
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« Result #8 Today at 9:03am » | |
I am going to try raising some topics that I am discussing here on this forum mainly because I find not enough input here. It may be the same on the trestle board but I will give it a go.
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Result 9 of 100:
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« Result #9 Today at 8:58am » | |
Today at 8:51am, blackknight wrote:
Today at 8:00am, cobweb wrote:
Cobweb,
I'm impressed, 4 posts in 4 minutes
If it helps, I have considered switching to GLAE, but have put it on the back-burner for now.
My decision to consider the switch was based on numerous events over the years that have left something of a sour taste in my mouth. These events have been caused by individuals who have forgotten their roots and forgotten what Freemasonry is supposed to be about.
I wont go into details but for some individuals, twisting the truth and being deceiptful has become the order of the day. The GLAE offers the chance to join an organisation in its infancy, and where the moral code has a distinct Christian element to it.
That said; it is not Freemasonry that is the problem; it is the individuals that are now being allowed through the door.
An event that happened last Friday and came to a head last night has once again shown that some individuals need to be excluded from the craft; or that I need to find an alternative.
I probably wont petition GLAE and have more or less decided to at least have a go at promoting change from the 'inside'. I've invested many many years in Freemasonry and there are goals that i've not yet reached and it would seem pointless to throw everything away at this stage. |
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Morning Steve.
I can see where you are coming from and I too have had doubts because or exactly the same reasons that you have given. However I live in hope that UGLE will realise this and if they read forums and comments like this perhaps they will pick up on it sooner rather than later.
As for considering leaving for another constitution this I could not do as it would be against all the reasons that I joined a UGLE Lodge in the first place for. Regarding the GLAE? I won't comment on this as a lot has been said about this over the last few months on various forums as I am sure you know, but I will make an observation - I do not like the attitude of their Grand Secretary finding some of the things he says distasteful.
If ever I did have enough though I would just resign, but hopefully this will not happen.
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« Result #10 Today at 8:58am » | |
Nov 15, 2009, 4:52pm, cobweb wrote:Hi everyone.
I have joined this forum by invitation and feel I need to explain myself because of some discussions that I was involved in on another Forum.
I am an UGLE Freemason of many years standing very much disgruntled of late with various matters going on within the fraternity and I find that I am now asking myself some serious questions about my Freemasonry.
There is a lot I do not like and I have been asking what possibly could be awkward questions for some advise. What I have got in return though is me being criticised and turned on rather than the help that I had hoped I would receive.
I will read through the posts here and see if it is somewhere I can possibly get some help and advise so can I say 'hello' to you all and hope that we may have some good, enlightening discussions. |
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Hi Cobweb,
Interestingly I found this post of yours just after posting one in a similar vein myself. I can sympathise to a large extent with what you have written and have been having silimar thoughts for a while.
If you need to have a good old whinge about anything but dont feel able to place it on-line then please feel free to PM me.
Perhaps we could start a thread with 'hypothetical' scenarios in it so that others could comment?
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Steve Penny
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Result 11 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie (Read 445 times) |
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« Result #11 Today at 8:51am » | |
Today at 8:41am, stewartedwards wrote:
Today at 7:57am, cobweb wrote:Out of respect for Blackknight I am not going to be continue Cobweb. The world is able to form its opinion of your and my behaviour.
I will not be drawn into darkness by people who really should know better.
If it makes you feel better you can consider that you have "won". |
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Good morning Stewart.
I was not out to 'win' anything just hold a discussion with you. I know I can be a bit direct but this is just my nature. Surely you must have run into worse people that I?
Just because I disagree with some things that you say is no reason to cut me off, but if you do take this action it will not make my thoughts go away and remember others hold similar views to mine so ignoring them will not change them.
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Result 12 of 100:
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blackknight
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| | Re: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie
« Result #12 Today at 8:51am » | |
Today at 8:00am, cobweb wrote:
Today at 12:09am, bcofield wrote:| As far as I know there are no GLoAE Masons that post here. I wish that would change. |
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Cobweb,
I'm impressed, 4 posts in 4 minutes
If it helps, I have considered switching to GLAE, but have put it on the back-burner for now.
My decision to consider the switch was based on numerous events over the years that have left something of a sour taste in my mouth. These events have been caused by individuals who have forgotten their roots and forgotten what Freemasonry is supposed to be about.
I wont go into details but for some individuals, twisting the truth and being deceiptful has become the order of the day. The GLAE offers the chance to join an organisation in its infancy, and where the moral code has a distinct Christian element to it.
That said; it is not Freemasonry that is the problem; it is the individuals that are now being allowed through the door.
An event that happened last Friday and came to a head last night has once again shown that some individuals need to be excluded from the craft; or that I need to find an alternative.
I probably wont petition GLAE and have more or less decided to at least have a go at promoting change from the 'inside'. I've invested many many years in Freemasonry and there are goals that i've not yet reached and it would seem pointless to throw everything away at this stage.
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« Result #13 Today at 8:41am » | |
Today at 7:57am, cobweb wrote:Out of respect for Blackknight I am not going to be continue Cobweb. The world is able to form its opinion of your and my behaviour.
I will not be drawn into darkness by people who really should know better.
If it makes you feel better you can consider that you have "won".
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Result 14 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: The Holy Royal Arch (Read 494 times) |
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« Result #14 Today at 8:17am » | |
Today at 1:37am, blackknight wrote:
Today at 12:57am, russellholland wrote:
The matter of the pillars and the keystone are well discussed in "The Hiram Key" as being from the teachings of the Essenes.
It may however be that the Holy Arch exists in much older literature.
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Indeed it does 
The number '3' features very prominently. 3 Degrees, 3 Ruffians, 3 who rule a Lodge, etc etc. This is continued in the RA, 3 Sojourners, 3 Principles etc etc.
There are three persons in the Godhead. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and these three are one God, the same in substance and essence. In the book of John we find "There are three that bear record in heaven, and these three are one.
The HRA consists of 3 elements. The 'State' and the 'Church' represent the national embodiment of the degree with the King representing the key-stone. On an individual level the 'State' and the 'Church' represent the 'Spiritual' and the 'Physical'.
From Man's position as the key stone he can observe, and provide the link between his spiritual self and his physical self. It also shows that neither can exist in isolation, and that 'Man' provides the link.
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Don't forget:
3 blind mice.
3 coins in a fountain.
The 3 degrees. (Group).
3D
3G mobiles
The 3 Musketeers
Goldilocks and the 3 Bears
3 sisters
3 wishes
We 3 Kings
3 in 1 oil
3 sheets to the wind
3 Lions (England).
3's company
3 men in a boat
3's a jolly good fellow
and of course
3dom.
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| | Author | Topic: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie (Read 445 times) |
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« Result #15 Today at 8:00am » | |
Today at 12:09am, bcofield wrote:| As far as I know there are no GLoAE Masons that post here. I wish that would change. |
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« Result #16 Today at 7:59am » | |
Yesterday at 10:01pm, stewartedwards wrote:Darth, would you be upset if I turned out to be your son?
Yesterday at 9:54pm, cobweb wrote:Just call me Darth Vader.
P.S. Just because we are masons we do not have to tolerate idiots, personal attacks or untruths. |
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Agreed, and how does this relate to my posts?
May the force be with you. |
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It was a general statement. Stop feeling so insecure Stewart.
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« Result #17 Today at 7:58am » | |
Yesterday at 9:59pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Yesterday at 9:56pm, cobweb wrote:
For every drop of rain that falls a flower grows? |
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Not what I was thinking but I will reflect on it. There is another more potent one.
Anyway Cobweb, I will take a sip to you in a moment. I really am not a bad guy. |
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Never said you were.
What's that 'potent one' then - or is it a secret?
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Result 18 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie (Read 445 times) |
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« Result #18 Today at 7:57am » | |
Yesterday at 9:57pm, stewartedwards wrote:Cobweb
If you are a good man in your heart and if you take masonry seriously, reflect on what I have said and in some months or years time you might change your view and conclude that I was right. You wouldnt be the first mason to do this.
Also as an aside, it is interesting how you have attacked me, when I originally came to your defense when you said that you had some problems with ugle in the past. I didnt try to help due to Kaddosh, but I did try to get Kadosh to help you. I hope he did. Or was that all a game to try to make me look silly as well? |
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Morning.
Round 2.
I hope I am a good man in my heart and perhaps in time you might conclude that I was right.
I did not think that I was attacking you but having a discussion with you. I can assure you that if I were attacking you, you would know it. I don't need anyone coming to my defense thanks and suggesting that I need help is a bit strong don't you think. As for trying to make you look silly you are doing an excellent job on your own.
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Result 19 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: The Holy Royal Arch (Read 494 times) |
blackknight
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« Result #19 Today at 1:37am » | |
Today at 12:57am, russellholland wrote:
The matter of the pillars and the keystone are well discussed in "The Hiram Key" as being from the teachings of the Essenes.
It may however be that the Holy Arch exists in much older literature.
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Indeed it does
The number '3' features very prominently. 3 Degrees, 3 Ruffians, 3 who rule a Lodge, etc etc. This is continued in the RA, 3 Sojourners, 3 Principles etc etc.
There are three persons in the Godhead. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and these three are one God, the same in substance and essence. In the book of John we find "There are three that bear record in heaven, and these three are one.
The HRA consists of 3 elements. The 'State' and the 'Church' represent the national embodiment of the degree with the King representing the key-stone. On an individual level the 'State' and the 'Church' represent the 'Spiritual' and the 'Physical'.
From Man's position as the key stone he can observe, and provide the link between his spiritual self and his physical self. It also shows that neither can exist in isolation, and that 'Man' provides the link.
(by all means delete man and insert woman)
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Today at 12:35am, bcofield wrote:| Someday there will be a Post-Modern lodge in Scotland. It's only a matter of time. |
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Why is it that you believe this? It hasn't happened so far (at least not that I am aware) .
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Result 21 of 100:
| | Author | Topic: The Holy Royal Arch (Read 494 times) |
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« Result #21 Today at 12:57am » | |
The matter of the pillars and the keystone are well discussed in "The Hiram Key" as being from the teachings of the Essenes.
It may however be that the Holy Arch exists in much older literature.
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« Result #22 Today at 12:35am » | |
Yesterday at 11:20pm, blackknight wrote:
Nov 20, 2009, 10:26am, Steve Foley wrote:| Yes, we work the A&ASR with Craft being the first three degrees and being and Initiatic Continutiy from there to 18th Rose Croix degree and thence to the 30th, 31st, 32nd, and 33rd degree for those who acheive it. We consider Mark, RAM, HRA, KTS and ROS as York Rite degrees. |
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Hi Steve,
Sounds very familiar Are you in amity with other Supreme Councils?
I'll be honest with you in that I have no strong opinions either way on the subject of post-modern or co-freemasonry.
My worry overall is that Freemasonry is not progressing in the manner that it should. It's difficult to explain but in essence Freemasonry should have adapted and changed in order to reflect a changing society.
Instead what happened was that factions broke off to form Masonic offshoots but left the central core intact.
These offshoots have now resulted in fractured Freemasonry with few people on the outside truly understanding the differences between the various factions.
In Scotland we don't have this problem which is a testament to our flavour of Freemasonry.
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Someday there will be a Post-Modern lodge in Scotland. It's only a matter of time.
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« Result #23 Today at 12:09am » | |
As far as I know there are no GLoAE Masons that post here. I wish that would change.
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« Result #24 Yesterday at 11:30pm » | |
I know this thread has been dormant for some time but I felt that I ought to set the record straight.
The reason that 'Grand Secretary' is able to claim that few Masons know the truth behind the HRA is that he is talking 'twaddle', and yes very few Masons would know that of which he incorrectly speaks.
The Holy Royal Arch consists of three components; two parts of an arch, named 'Church' and 'State' respectively, held together by the third element which is the key-stone.
Anyone like to guess who the key-stone represents?
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« Result #25 Yesterday at 11:20pm » | |
Nov 20, 2009, 10:26am, Steve Foley wrote:| Yes, we work the A&ASR with Craft being the first three degrees and being and Initiatic Continutiy from there to 18th Rose Croix degree and thence to the 30th, 31st, 32nd, and 33rd degree for those who acheive it. We consider Mark, RAM, HRA, KTS and ROS as York Rite degrees. |
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Hi Steve,
Sounds very familiar Are you in amity with other Supreme Councils?
I'll be honest with you in that I have no strong opinions either way on the subject of post-modern or co-freemasonry.
My worry overall is that Freemasonry is not progressing in the manner that it should. It's difficult to explain but in essence Freemasonry should have adapted and changed in order to reflect a changing society.
Instead what happened was that factions broke off to form Masonic offshoots but left the central core intact.
These offshoots have now resulted in fractured Freemasonry with few people on the outside truly understanding the differences between the various factions.
In Scotland we don't have this problem which is a testament to our flavour of Freemasonry.
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« Result #26 Yesterday at 11:07pm » | |
Gents,
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the OP, unless you are all GLAE Masons and are trying to put me off the scent 
Moaning about Stewart will not acheive anything; and personal attacks are not only un-Masonic but are also immoral.
There are in my opinion two ways to resolve the problem:
1. Simply ignore Stewart.
2. Dazzle him with the force or your argument and your rhetoric; assuming of course that you can 
Thank you and good evening.
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« Result #27 Yesterday at 10:01pm » | |
Darth, would you be upset if I turned out to be your son?
Yesterday at 9:54pm, cobweb wrote:Just call me Darth Vader.
P.S. Just because we are masons we do not have to tolerate idiots, personal attacks or untruths. |
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Agreed, and how does this relate to my posts?
May the force be with you.
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« Result #28 Yesterday at 9:59pm » | |
Yesterday at 9:56pm, cobweb wrote:
Yesterday at 9:54pm, stewartedwards wrote:| There is still a very valuable esoteric lesson that this thread illustrates beautifully. Has anyone spotted it yet? |
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For every drop of rain that falls a flower grows? |
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Not what I was thinking but I will reflect on it. There is another more potent one.
Anyway Cobweb, I will take a sip to you in a moment. I really am not a bad guy.
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« Result #29 Yesterday at 9:57pm » | |
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If you are a good man in your heart and if you take masonry seriously, reflect on what I have said and in some months or years time you might change your view and conclude that I was right. You wouldnt be the first mason to do this.
Also as an aside, it is interesting how you have attacked me, when I originally came to your defense when you said that you had some problems with ugle in the past. I didnt try to help due to Kaddosh, but I did try to get Kadosh to help you. I hope he did. Or was that all a game to try to make me look silly as well?
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Yesterday at 9:54pm, stewartedwards wrote:| There is still a very valuable esoteric lesson that this thread illustrates beautifully. Has anyone spotted it yet? |
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For every drop of rain that falls a flower grows?
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« Result #31 Yesterday at 9:54pm » | |
Yesterday at 9:49pm, stewartedwards wrote:Imagine Stewart laughing his head off
As it is now wine time I dont want to post much.
But hey ho the old tactics come into play again, lets change the focus and try a new direction of attack against Stewart. Sort of reminds me of the behaviour of ugle and amity masons towards Peter of GLAE recently at Icks. Is it taught in Lodge?
I actually had to look that big word up inthe dictionary 
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I agree, time for a slurp and closing for the night.
Just call me Darth Vader.
P.S. Just because we are masons we do not have to tolerate idiots, personal attacks or untruths.
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« Result #32 Yesterday at 9:54pm » | |
There is still a very valuable esoteric lesson that this thread illustrates beautifully. Has anyone spotted it yet?
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« Result #33 Yesterday at 9:52pm » | |
Cobweb, well the world and his dog can form their own judgements on this from reading our interactions. And it is encapsulated for history now to be judged in the light of day.
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« Result #34 Yesterday at 9:50pm » | |
Stewart. Quoting tenets from UGLE is just like me quoting passages from the Bible (or whatever is your belief) to you and criticising you because in my eyes you are not living up to them.
Stop introducing red herrings man and stick to the point.
You rightly quote me as saying:
"Interpretation is the word. 'Tolerance, respect, kindness and understanding' are all subjective"
In my eyes I have shown you tolerance because you are starting to annoy me, I have given you respect by asking you to explain and not just writing you off, I am being as kind as I can and as for understanding - I am trying to do just this.
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« Result #35 Yesterday at 9:49pm » | |
Imagine Stewart laughing his head off
As it is now wine time I dont want to post much.
But hey ho the old tactics come into play again, lets change the focus and try a new direction of attack against Stewart. Sort of reminds me of the behaviour of ugle and amity masons towards Peter of GLAE recently at Icks. Is it taught in Lodge?
I actually had to look that big word up inthe dictionary
Cobweb, are you of the dark side?
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« Result #36 Yesterday at 9:41pm » | |
Stewart
Winging on another forum does nothing for your reputation:
Quote:| ... I am getting grief on the following masonic forum, which is unusual and the masonic moderator is clamping down on. Interestingly one claimed mason has expressed his concern at me posting here on this very forum ... |
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....also saying things like this just makes you look stupid.
Quote:| a numerologist suggests that this point in time is significant in occult circles. I wonder if there is any connection? |
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Do you suffer from athazagoraphobia?
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« Result #37 Yesterday at 9:25pm » | |
Yesterday at 9:07pm, cobweb wrote:| Was that so hard to follow oh intelligent one? (Sorry for the dig but you deserved it). |
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Quote:Can you explain to me exactly how this is the behaviour of a Freemason?
To quote ugle, emphasis mine
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Quote:| You won't get me on that one sunshine. Interpretation is the word. 'Tolerance, respect, kindness and understanding' are all subjective, plus you are being a bit hypocritical arn't you? |
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So:-
1. Are you saying that your quote
Quote:| Was that so hard to follow oh intelligent one? (Sorry for the dig but you deserved it). |
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Is perfectly acceptable behaviour from the perspective of ugles primary tenet?
2. You have said that
Quote:| Interpretation is the word. 'Tolerance, respect, kindness and understanding' are all subjective |
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when they seem pretty clear cut to me and my dictionary. Or is it just a masonic thing to be subjective when it suits to cover poor behavioural standards?
3. Are you a true Freemason per ugles primary tenet cobweb? If so can you explain why and how in terms of the tenet please? Or is it all a matter of "interpretation"?
Funny if you turned out to be an acting grand chain.
Brad, I like Cherry pie by the way. - yum.
There is a very valuable esoteric lesson going on in this thread. Can anyone spot it?
Anyhow time for a glass of wine - thanks for an interesting day Cobweb.
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« Result #38 Yesterday at 9:07pm » | |
Yesterday at 6:31pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Yesterday at 6:25pm, cobweb wrote:| I am trying to make the point and obviously failing that UGLE do not respond in the public domain whilst other constitutions do. |
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Ah but they do see my link to the issue that women can be Freemasons, just not in ugle.
Can you explain to me exactly how this is the behaviour of a Freemason?
To quote ugle, emphasis mine
Quote:| Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures |
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« Result #39 Yesterday at 7:44pm » | |
I would also like to clarify my post.
It is clear that Stewart really, really wants cake. Perhaps more than anything in the world.
He wanted chocolate cake and was rejected.
So another offers him angel food cake. Stewart declines.
So yet another offers him carrot cake. Stewart again declines.
Finally someone tells Stewart to make his own cake and even offers to show him how. Again Stewart declines.
Meanwhile Stewart loves to talk about cake. He has extremly strong opinion about certain cakes. He tells others how to bake cake.
After a while it is like just pick a cake, make a cake or move on to pie.
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« Result #40 Yesterday at 6:31pm » | |
Yesterday at 6:25pm, cobweb wrote:| I am trying to make the point and obviously failing that UGLE do not respond in the public domain whilst other constitutions do. |
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Ah but they do see my link to the issue that women can be Freemasons, just not in ugle.
Quote:| Was that so hard to follow oh intelligent one? (Sorry for the dig but you deserved it). |
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Can you explain to me exactly how this is the behaviour of a Freemason?
To quote ugle, emphasis mine
Quote:| Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures |
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« Result #41 Yesterday at 6:25pm » | |
Yesterday at 6:01pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Yesterday at 5:56pm, cobweb wrote:| There you go then. I am right, they don't respond, not like the GLAE. |
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My inbox would suggest otherwise.
What has GLAE got to do with the price of cheese? |
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I am trying to make the point and obviously failing that UGLE do not respond in the public domain whilst other constitutions do.
Was that so hard to follow oh intelligent one? (Sorry for the dig but you deserved it).
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« Result #42 Yesterday at 6:01pm » | |
Yesterday at 5:56pm, cobweb wrote:| There you go then. I am right, they don't respond, not like the GLAE. |
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My inbox would suggest otherwise.
What has GLAE got to do with the price of cheese?
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« Result #43 Yesterday at 5:56pm » | |
Yesterday at 5:52pm, stewartedwards wrote:| Not in the public domain no. But sometimes they have been known to respond to my letters and emails to them. Not all the time by any means, but sometimes. Sometimes just a few words I give you, sometimes more. |
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There you go then. I am right, they don't respond, not like the GLAE.
I have also found that, other than a few members, not many of them pass comments as well.
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« Result #44 Yesterday at 5:52pm » | |
Not in the public domain no. But sometimes they have been known to respond to my letters and emails to them. Not all the time by any means, but sometimes. Sometimes just a few words I give you, sometimes more answering my questions.
I am sure that it is just coincidence cobweb but if you were to look at some of my letters to ugle and then the published QC Speeches some months later, you can sometimes find thematic similarities.
Re public domain stuff you could try http://www.hfaf.org/ugle.htm
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« Result #45 Yesterday at 5:43pm » | |
Yesterday at 4:54pm, stewartedwards wrote:All any mason has to do is to act masonicly. Little things like following the tenets.
UGLE do sometimes respond you know - it isnt always no comment. |
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Now THAT'S interesting.
Can you show me one response anywhere that UGLE have made? I do not mean QC's to it's members/Lodges but in the public domain.
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« Result #46 Yesterday at 4:54pm » | |
All any mason has to do is to act masonicly. Little things like following the tenets.
UGLE do sometimes respond you know - it isnt always no comment.
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Yesterday at 3:17pm, stewartedwards wrote:Cobweb, unless your brothers were to act with more tolerance, and aid more visibly the striving for truth I would not want to join your consititution. Should I join a lodge it will be a masonic lodge.
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There you go, just proving that you do not know anything about my constitution otherwise you would not have said this. You have formed your opinion by what others have said and the questionable actions by some members on forums. Perhaps you consider me the same but I also do not agree with the mud slinging that some members have been up to - not just by my constitution I add.
We are not all the same but I do understand why some of my colleagues get annoyed when they are attacked or read some of the rubbish that is said about UGLE and it's members. UGLE adopts a position of non response as you know and maybe we should all do the same. Unfortunately this makes us an easy target accused of being un-masonic when we react.
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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« Result #48 Yesterday at 3:17pm » | |
Cobweb, unless your brothers were to act with more tolerance, and aid more visibly the striving for truth I would not want to join your consititution. Should I join a lodge it will be a masonic lodge.
Cobweb said above
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« Result #49 Yesterday at 2:51pm » | |
Yesterday at 1:21pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Yesterday at 12:54pm, cobweb wrote:| especially when you actually know nothing but by quoting things that you have read try and make out that you do?. |
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You have stated this as a fact cobweb. Please state just one example of me doing this.
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Stewart.
I have offered my opinion and should not have to prove it. It is based on the things that you post that I have read.
Firstly to try and prove that you 'know nothing' would entail my having to divulge everything that I have learned over the 20 years that I have been a Freemason and, secondly, as I am sure you know I cannot do this.
Suffice it to say that the quotes you have given, the suggestions that you have made and the suggested knowledge that you possess are all in the public domain. The only way you can know about freemasonry is to be one and your willingness to discuss it so openly on internet forums, especially the Icke forum, gives me concern - and would not go down well if ever I had to consider you for membership of my constitution.
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Yesterday at 12:54pm, cobweb wrote:| especially when you actually know nothing but by quoting things that you have read try and make out that you do?. |
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You have stated this as a fact cobweb. Please state just one example of me doing this.
If you cant I am ready to accept your public apology.
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« Result #51 Yesterday at 1:18pm » | |
It really is quite funny - name one other profane man in the world who has been extensively called brother, in person, in correspondence and and on public forums over several years.
But fear not cobweb I am sure that it is because each and every one of your brothers has consistently made an error over every interaction and over every year, even though I almost always make my non membership very clear.
Still instead of asking why masons have shown this level of respect for me and what I have done, lets just attack Stewart and get him out of the way. Much easier that way isnt is cobweb?
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« Result #52 Yesterday at 1:16pm » | |
I have given my thoughts. Accept them or not.
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« Result #53 Yesterday at 1:07pm » | |
This is going to be fun 
Yesterday at 12:54pm, cobweb wrote:| when you actually know nothing but by quoting things that you have read try and make out that you do?. |
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Cobweb you really have made a serious error of judgement here. But I am not going to argue with you. Lets just say, as I have said in my last post, that some of your brotehrs have confirmed to me (some of it on masonic forums publicly) that I do know something.
Challenge for you name just one example of whare I have "quoting things that you have read try and make out that you do" Just one.
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Your judgement is a tad incorrect here cobweb as I have explained before.
Quote:| I do not say this with any malice as I do not know you, your background, your professional qualifications, your standing, your education or your personality. All I and others know is your obvious yearning to be accepted by freemasons. Take up Steve's offer and join LDH, or are you worried that you would not fit there as well? |
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You are again asking questions and making statements that have already been recently answered. Going around in circles wont change anything cobweb.
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« Result #54 Yesterday at 12:54pm » | |
Do you never stop to think Stewart that your continuous 'I know all about freemasonry ' get's just a bit annoying especially when you actually know nothing but by quoting things that you have read try and make out that you do?.
I appreciate it that you know freemasons and have no doubt have had many interesting discussions with them, but suggesting that you are so knowledgable about a subject that you are not part of is just, well, silly.
You say you were rejected by UGLE and I wonder why? Do you not think that it could be because you open your mouth so much?
My 'concern' about you though is nothing to do with freemasonry. Whatever the subject you adopt to spout off about would eventually just become boring and annoying. I expect you are a nice guy but you do go on a bit. I really think the one person you are trying to impress is yourself.
I do not say this with any malice as I do not know you, your background, your professional qualifications, your standing, your education or your personality. All I and others know is your obvious yearning to be accepted by freemasons. Take up Steve's offer and join LDH, or are you worried that you would not fit there as well?
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As you know over the years I have suffered a fair bit of what modern day society would define as bullying at the hands of masons and I do find it appalling, but also funny that people who have never met me declare that I am such and such a type of person, over on Icks place I was accused of being mentally ill recently by someone I am told is very senior in ugle.
At least when I talk about freemasons and freemasonry it is on the back of:-
1. Having masons in my family.
2. Having met and corresponded with a not insignificant number of masons from EA to PGM over the best part of a decade now.
3. Spent 30 hours ish getting my hands dirty and helping a lodge, though clearly I didnt enter the lodge room during meetings, but before and after. Note this is not just being there but actually helping - preparing food, setting up part of a chamber of reflection, talking to guests, tidying up, entertaining etc.
4. Not forgetting all of the forum stuff that I have done.
5. And then there is talking to all of the masons that I know.
Yes I accept that it is from the outside, but it is based on a lot of inside stuff, and indeed I have been provably peer recognised in the masonic world by some, which for a masonic reject isnt half bad.
Now for those who have never met me to act in intolerant manner towards me is quite laughable.
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Yesterday at 9:19am, cobweb wrote:| Stewart seems almost unreal making himself out to be wonderful and the fount of all knowledge (my opinion). |
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Perhaps I just do know some things that I have worked out myself, that some masons recognise and respect, while others have difficulty with it. Why do you think that some masons have called me brother or in one case given me the five points of fellowship after a meeting? Perhaps they respect the knowledge that I have gained the hard way?
What should I do pretend not to know what I know? So it may take some masons a lifetime with lodge support to get to where I got to in about five years of difficult and painful inner work on my own. But such is.
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Pity.
In summary, I fell into darknes, which I take full resonsibility for, though it would be fair to comment that I was in part led there by people who really should know better, and I quite literally woke up one morning and decided to walk myself back out of it.
Along the way I have been fortunate to have lived what is quite clearly the masonic journey gaining a very real knowledge and understanding of things like passing the veils (and yes masons have confirmed my understanding to me). I found the light, touched it and have started my return journey. Earlier this year I had an "exit point" that I nearly took, but chose to return here and continue. But as the hospital drug fuelled dreams convinced me that I had already done enough. I dont need to do any more. I can if I chose to and am now much more empowered to do so, but I dont have to. I have nothing more to "prove".
It is interesting though that some masons seem increasingly riled at me. Though this is nothing new as regular forumites well know, but it does apear to have escalated over the past couple of weeks.
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I need to explain my comments about Stewart.
They were nothing to do with freemasonry so being accused of 'Masonic Bullying' is not correct. It is just the opinion I got from reading all his comments mainly on the Icke forum, but elsewhere as well.
He probably is a great guy but he does have some 'interesting' comments to make about various subjects coming across as though he always is correct or knowledgeable. He might well be but saying so can be a tad annoying. Don't ask me to trawl round the sites to prove this as I am sure readers understand exactly what I mean.
If you put your head above the parapet be prepared to get shot!
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Worry ye not Stewart. you are free to post here. Now you also know my views on Masonic Bullying. I have suffered it myself over the years face to face and in front of my guests in one instance and not only on Fora. I have no problems with robust debate and I am sure you don't either, but once it starts to become personal or abusive then I will use my powers as Admin.
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« Result #58 Yesterday at 10:22am » | |
Well everyone is entitled to their opinion about me.
Tis true that I did have an unhappy childhood, but beyond that I do think the above posts quite funny. "Desperate for friends" now that is really funny. Think about it cobweb - would I have not jumped at the offers from Steve to join his lodge or the offers from RGLE?
I am an unusual character that is for sure, but such is life. Life would be a bit boring if we were all clones.
Anyhow I will petition again when the time is right for me not when, either here, or in the last weekish at Icks place, a handful of masons, tell me to. Whether I join a lodge or not makes not one iota of a difference. I am entitled by law in this country to voice my opinions.
It is interesting though there has been a noticeable trend over the past week or two by masons on forums to try to make me look silly, and to force me to a lodge or to stop posting. BK here was a big culprit for it, though he has publicly apologised on this forum for it and admitted that I was in effect an unwitting pawn in a masonic game.
Strange that after so many years I get so much ill will in such a short space of time. Perhaps the numerologists are right about this precise point in time?
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« Result #59 Yesterday at 10:00am » | |
I have met Stewart and found him to be a very friendly and helpful man to say the least. I am aware of the problems he has with his wife's illness, I have met her and she too is a lovely person. He was a great help to me when I had a big decision to make about 3 years ago. He didn't tell me what to do but helped to guide my own thoughts on this matter.
That having been said I do feel that he sets his bar very high indeed and perhaps misses the opportunities that others myself being one would accept. We all set our own benchmarks, Stewart's are very exacting indeed, but if that is what makes him happy who are we to complain? I would be delighted if he asked me to set the wheels turning for him to become a Member of LDH but I know that if he was still nagged by doubts he would not be happy in being Initiated.
As I have said to him for some years now, please knock the door, I am listening. I also have to say that from what I know of Stewart and having myself been in UGLE and now being in LDH he would NOT in my opinion be happy in UGLE but may be more at one with himself if in LDH or possibly another Order?
As to the geographic situation. Our nearest Lodge to him would be in Camberley.
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Yesterday at 12:45am, bcofield wrote:
Nov 21, 2009, 9:53pm, stewartedwards wrote:She isnt.
But as she is disabled and chronically ill she would prefer it if I were in a lodge closer to home.
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Well then, you know your options. I love you Stewart but I am sick of the pissing and moaning. Choose a side, throw your "**$%" on the table and get on with it already.
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I have wanted to say something similar for some time but have bit my lip.
Stewart seems almost unreal making himself out to be wonderful and the fount of all knowledge (my opinion). I think that he is one lonely, insecure man, desperate for friends and seeks praise which perhaps is a sign of an unhappy childhood.
I think that if ever I met him or he became a member of my Lodge there would very soon be some confrontation as I do not think that I could get on with him, so perhaps it better if he does not petition a Lodge. I fear he would cause disruption.
I apologise if I have you all wrong Stewart but some of your 'high and mighty' posts do nothing for me other than class you as a bit of a prat. Sorry.
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Nov 21, 2009, 9:53pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Nov 21, 2009, 9:11pm, bcofield wrote:I do have a question though? Why would your wife be against you belonging to LDH?
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Well then, you know your options. I love you Stewart but I am sick of the pissing and moaning. Choose a side, throw your "**$%" on the table and get on with it already.
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« Result #62 on Nov 21, 2009, 9:53pm » | |
Nov 21, 2009, 9:11pm, bcofield wrote:I do have a question though? Why would your wife be against you belonging to LDH?
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« Result #63 on Nov 21, 2009, 9:11pm » | |
Nov 21, 2009, 2:53pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Nov 21, 2009, 2:09pm, blackknight wrote:Hi Stewart,
I know the story of your UGLE petition; but what stopped you with the LDH? Did you feel it wasn't for you or something else? |
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When I decided to apply, I decided to go around the various masonic fraternities operating in England to see which one I felt most comfortable with.
I actually met with lDH before UGLE. At the end of the day these were my two choices and I wrote to the other fraternities telling them that i wouldn't be proceeding. It was actually a very close call and there were pros and cons to each. Clearly I decided upon the ugle route. Had I chosen the other way who knows what would have happened.
As I guess you are going to ask in summary:-
lDH - pros - they understood me
- I felt at home
cons - a bit far away (given my job this is a significant factor)
ugle - pros - near by
- wife was happier
- your very own Grand Secretary recommended I joined a lodge, and I assume he meant his flavour.
- I felt rightly or wrongly that I could contribute more within ugle (mainly from off forum stuff with masons)
cons - I would be much less happy in ugle (but I knew that within it there were those who did understand me and indeed had helped me)
Essentially I believed that ugle was both the more practical route in terms of committment and it is where I believed that I could contribute most to the masonic world.
I should say that subsequent to this I have also had the opportunity to join RGLE, and indeed when ugle rejected me if I remember correctly there was talk by two US ugle amity masons of getting me into their respective lodges - this was actually considered as to how it could be practcially achieved. And as you may know Brad has hinted at me establishing a post modern lodge on this forum. Aint going to happen though Brad.
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Stewart,
Beleieve me I am not holding my breath awaiting for you to form a Post-Moderrn lodge. It is a very difficult undertaking that takes a thick skin and dedication.
I do have a question though? Why would your wife be against you belonging to LDH?
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« Result #64 on Nov 21, 2009, 2:53pm » | |
Nov 21, 2009, 2:09pm, blackknight wrote:Hi Stewart,
I know the story of your UGLE petition; but what stopped you with the LDH? Did you feel it wasn't for you or something else? |
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When I decided to apply, I decided to go around the various masonic fraternities operating in England to see which one I felt most comfortable with.
I actually met with lDH before UGLE. At the end of the day these were my two choices and I wrote to the other fraternities telling them that i wouldn't be proceeding. It was actually a very close call and there were pros and cons to each. Clearly I decided upon the ugle route. Had I chosen the other way who knows what would have happened.
As I guess you are going to ask in summary:-
lDH - pros - they understood me
- I felt at home
cons - a bit far away (given my job this is a significant factor)
ugle - pros - near by
- wife was happier
- your very own Grand Secretary recommended I joined a lodge, and I assume he meant his flavour.
- I felt rightly or wrongly that I could contribute more within ugle (mainly from off forum stuff with masons)
cons - I would be much less happy in ugle (but I knew that within it there were those who did understand me and indeed had helped me)
Essentially I believed that ugle was both the more practical route in terms of committment and it is where I believed that I could contribute most to the masonic world.
I should say that subsequent to this I have also had the opportunity to join RGLE, and indeed when ugle rejected me if I remember correctly there was talk by two US ugle amity masons of getting me into their respective lodges - this was actually considered as to how it could be practcially achieved. And as you may know Brad has hinted at me establishing a post modern lodge on this forum. Aint going to happen though Brad.
Truth be told that I am happy on my own, though Steve and lDH may well have some decision making to do over the next 12 months, once I get my finances sorted.
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« Result #65 on Nov 21, 2009, 2:09pm » | |
Nov 20, 2009, 9:51pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Nov 20, 2009, 7:26pm, Steve Foley wrote:| We are very strict in guarding the West Gate and have two independent interviews with a prospective candidate before they are recommended to the Lodge for Ballot. |
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Indeed, I think from memory that between my two chats (though I didnt think that they were interviews just chats) it must have taken somewhere around six hours possibly more. In my ugle interview it took perhaps a couple of hours.
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« Result #66 on Nov 21, 2009, 2:07pm » | |
Nov 20, 2009, 10:33pm, russellholland wrote:
The depiction of the level in that EA TB as separate from the plumb line (usually built into the traditional level) raises and interesting question for use of the tools in a moral sense:
Is levelness a separate moral quality from uprightness?
I suspect it is not.
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The level should not be present in the EA Ritual from an allegorical perspective, as it features in a later degree.
A lot of EA TB's show all 9 working tools as a sort of introduction.
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« Result #67 on Nov 20, 2009, 10:33pm » | |
The depiction of the level in that EA TB as separate from the plumb line (usually built into the traditional level) raises and interesting question for use of the tools in a moral sense:
Is levelness a separate moral quality from uprightness?
I suspect it is not.
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« Result #68 on Nov 20, 2009, 9:51pm » | |
Nov 20, 2009, 7:26pm, Steve Foley wrote:| We are very strict in guarding the West Gate and have two independent interviews with a prospective candidate before they are recommended to the Lodge for Ballot. |
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Indeed, I think from memory that between my two chats (though I didnt think that they were interviews just chats) it must have taken somewhere around six hours possibly more. In my ugle interview it took perhaps a couple of hours.
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« Result #69 on Nov 20, 2009, 7:26pm » | |
"Quote:Le Droit Humaine the only gender equal adogmatic liberal option.
I think that the dogma within other organisations serves as a glue to bind the members together. Whilst I know very little about LDH, I wonder if anyone can comment on whether an adogmatic approach has led to any 'slips' in standards over the years?"
Speaking as someone who was in UGLE Freemasonry for 18 years, became increasingly unhappy with it for many reasons, and when I discovered LDH I left UGLE and joined it instead three years ago now I can say that the adogmatic approach has not led as far as I can ascertain to any dropping in standards.
We are very strict in guarding the West Gate and have two independent interviews with a prospective candidate before they are recommended to the Lodge for Ballot. We are also less concerned with the externals in Freemasonry and far more with the internal aspects and in understanding the words we say and the actions we perform and the impact of same on the microcosm of ourselves and the macrocosm of society at large.
So I would say that the adogmatic approach has been beneficial and not detrimental to Le Driot Humain.
I would add that the above is purely my personal opinion and is not in any way an express nor implied statment on behalf of my Masonic Obedience.
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Nov 20, 2009, 10:59am, blackknight wrote:| I think this really depends on what people want from Freemasonry. |
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For it to be masonic 
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Nov 19, 2009, 7:55pm, bcofield wrote:| I actually feel for Masons in England. The landscape being conservative and religious a liberal, adogmatic Mason seems to have very few options. |
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I agree; there seems to be a thread of heavy handedness running through UGLE at the moment. I often wonder if UGLE feel threatened by by post-modern Freemasonry, and a complete lack of support from GLoS and GLoI.
I was in the presence of the great and the good from Scottish Freemasnry yesterday evening and the talk turned to RGLE and GLAE. Whereas UGLE have threatened expulsion to those who might consider visitations or contact; the Scottish attitude seems to be one of "well, we might suggest that contact is not a good idea".
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Very much the same in Scotland although our ritual is a lot richer than the emulation used down south.
Quote: The RGLE seems to be more open as not to be exclusivley Christian. BUT, they too are male only and dogmatic.
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An interesting statement as logically both of these organisations should be overtly Christian and dogmatic.
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I think that the dogma within other organisations serves as a glue to bind the members together. Whilst I know very little about LDH, I wonder if anyone can comment on whether an adogmatic approach has led to any 'slips' in standards over the years?
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I think this really depends on what people want from Freemasonry. In a way it's like religion; if you want dogmatic sabbath observing evangelicals then the United Free Church of Scotland is for you. If you want mainstream Christianity then it's the Church of Scotland; and if you want to be dammed to a life in purgatory then Catholicism might be for you.
Having a variety gives greater options; but also makes for smaller less capable organisations.
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Yes, we work the A&ASR with Craft being the first three degrees and being and Initiatic Continutiy from there to 18th Rose Croix degree and thence to the 30th, 31st, 32nd, and 33rd degree for those who acheive it. We consider Mark, RAM, HRA, KTS and ROS as York Rite degrees.
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« Result #73 on Nov 20, 2009, 12:36am » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 1:39am, Steve Foley wrote:
Hi Brother Steve,
I'd visited the site before but didn't realise all the information that it contained. Very enlightening, thanks. It's a shame that your Scottish Lodge is not in Scotland, it would be fastinating to visit to see how you guys do things.
Can I assume your working is similar to the AASR?
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Nov 20, 2009, 12:11am, bcofield wrote:IMHO the best Tracing Board are those drawn in chalk on the floor, the good old school way. Then again the Egyptian Rites are not that big on Tracing Boards.
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The Kirkwall scroll started out as a carpet but was too long for the lodgeroom hence it ended up on the wall; but it contains all the neccesary imagery for all three degrees.
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IMHO the best Tracing Board are those drawn in chalk on the floor, the good old school way. Then again the Egyptian Rites are not that big on Tracing Boards.
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Nov 19, 2009, 8:58am, cobweb wrote:Adding a bit more to this, whilst I cannot support or recognise the Grand Lodge of All England or the Regular Grand Lodge of England both of which are frustrated wannabe 'big fish, little pond' freemasons, what about the following that is, I believe, recognised by UGLE:
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I actually feel for Masons in England. The landscape being conservative and religious a liberal, adogmatic Mason seems
to have very few options.
The UGLE being run my members of the Monarchy. Anything after the HRA is for Trinitarian Christians only. Gender exclusive. Lot's of interesting Rites are avalible but the rest is unappealing in every way to me.
The RGLE seems to be more open as not to be exclusivley Christian. BUT, they too are male only and dogmatic.
GLoAE at York is VERY interesting as their system of the Craft is unique. But very dogmatic and gender exclusive.
Order of the Blazing Star gender equal but dogmatic.
Grand Lodge of Freemasonry for Men and Women. Gender equal but dogmatic.
Le Droit Humaine the only gender equal adogmatic liberal option.
The need for independent , adogmatic and dynamic lodges is huge in the UK. Hopefully, we will have a Post-Modern lodge in Bideford in 2010.
Lets hope the wall of conservatism, partisanism and dogma in English Masonry have cracks.
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I am delighted that you have settled your differences amicably.
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« Result #78 on Nov 19, 2009, 2:32pm » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 2:26pm, stewartedwards wrote:
Nov 17, 2009, 10:49pm, blackknight wrote:Regarding the GL; the email was genuine but the content was written deliberately by my wee pal in George Street. It paid dividends. I never doubted you; but the chance to introduce an email that contained additional information (the bit in bold) resulted in me obtaining the final piece of the puzzle.
I'll email you tomorrow morning.
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Now BK has admitted this here. It is also becoming ever more apparent through off forum stuff that others would either like to continue this or use me in other games.
I forgive BK for he has fully explained his reasoning to me and publicly apologised. But I will take a dim view of any other masons who play me to suit their agendas. |
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No more games from me Big Man! you have my word
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« Result #79 on Nov 19, 2009, 2:29pm » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 1:51pm, Steve Foley wrote:Sorry to see you withdraw Blackknight so soon after coming here. Possibly Stewart may wish to e-mail or PM me what the problem may be in order to achieve a resolution?
Over to you Stewart. |
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Hi Steve,
I've talked to Stewart and can happily report that we have resolved any differences that we had, and as such I am happy to don my apron and continue contributing; and learning from this forum.
Thanks again.
Steve
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| | Re: The Masons are getting braver
« Result #80 on Nov 19, 2009, 2:26pm » | |
Nov 17, 2009, 10:49pm, blackknight wrote:Regarding the GL; the email was genuine but the content was written deliberately by my wee pal in George Street. It paid dividends. I never doubted you; but the chance to introduce an email that contained additional information (the bit in bold) resulted in me obtaining the final piece of the puzzle.
I'll email you tomorrow morning.
Cheers for now big man |
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Now BK has admitted this here. It is also becoming ever more apparent through off forum stuff that others would either like to continue this or use me in other games.
I forgive BK for he has fully explained his reasoning to me and publicly apologised. But I will take a dim view of any other masons who play me to suit their agendas.
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« Result #81 on Nov 19, 2009, 2:22pm » | |
Steve should be posting again imminently.
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« Result #82 on Nov 19, 2009, 1:51pm » | |
Sorry to see you withdraw Blackknight so soon after coming here. Possibly Stewart may wish to e-mail or PM me what the problem may be in order to achieve a resolution?
Over to you Stewart.
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« Result #83 on Nov 19, 2009, 12:08pm » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 11:54am, Steve Foley wrote:Yes, Stewart and Blackknight. If you have a "private pique or quarrel" from another Forum can I ask you to try to keep it off of here.
Remember the words for the First Degree. "......but if your differences be of such a nature as not to be so easily adjusted..." |
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Steve,
You are absolutely correct. "If you be at variance with another brother you should not enter the lodge as this may disturb the harmony of the Lodge".
The problem here of course is that firstly I have no idea what the problem is, and secondly that I am not a variance with Stewart.
However, as a true Brother I will withdraw from this forum until such time that Stewart has expressed his views more fully and in private. Given that this is likely to be in the New Year; i'll not be posting in the meanwhile.
I remain your fraternal Brother.
Steve
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« Result #84 on Nov 19, 2009, 11:54am » | |
Yes, Stewart and Blackknight. If you have a "private pique or quarrel" from another Forum can I ask you to try to keep it off of here.
Remember the words for the First Degree. "......but if your differences be of such a nature as not to be so easily adjusted..."
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« Result #85 on Nov 19, 2009, 11:50am » | |
I have no problem with you posting a link to another Forum. Indeed for a while I posted to it myself but left as I did not agree with its editorial line.
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| | Re: Anglo Saxon Free Masonrie
« Result #86 on Nov 19, 2009, 11:18am » | |
I think two people on this thread have another agenda and it would be better for them to try and resolve it in private rather than on a public forum. Such posts do tend to confuse and ruin topics gentlemen.
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« Result #87 on Nov 19, 2009, 10:31am » | |
Steve
I have no desire to end up in another bust up with you. Reflect on your recent posts and combine it with what you said in pm (and no it isnt related at all to the bit that I responded to). If come the new year you are still baffled ask me again and I will tell you. But I do think that it would be better for you to work it out yourself.
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« Result #88 on Nov 19, 2009, 10:25am » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 8:58am, cobweb wrote:Adding a bit more to this, whilst I cannot support or recognise the Grand Lodge of All England or the Regular Grand Lodge of England both of which are frustrated wannabe 'big fish, little pond' freemasons, what about the following that is, I believe, recognised by UGLE:
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Hi,
Absolutely correct. The statement on their web-site reads as follows "To this end we are fully committed to supporting the United Grand Lodge of England and expect each and every member of the Order to give full support and allegiance to the UGLE."
But only because they do not 'threaten' the assumed sovereignity of UGLE. RGLE and GLAE make claims that, although are specific to Free Masonrie as opposed to Freemasonry, are deemed by UGLE to be false, thus making them 'irregular'.
This is in my opinion a problem of UGLE's own making rather than any fault on the part of either RGLE or GLAE.
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« Result #89 on Nov 19, 2009, 10:20am » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 8:32am, stewartedwards wrote:Steve
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Stewart,
How so? What is it about the post or me for that matter that dissapoints you?
It is I believe a balanced article that makes no judgements on either RGLE or GLAE other than to say that the RGLE, when asked, were stoically silent on the subject.
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« Result #90 on Nov 19, 2009, 9:48am » | |
Indeed for anyone who is not doing it out of ego. Though if you have been drained by petty politics you may just think that a fresh start may be a good thing. Or you may just visit to see if the grass is greener.
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« Result #91 on Nov 19, 2009, 9:32am » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 9:20am, stewartedwards wrote:... but I would suggest that at least some do it out of frustration that the system has let them down.
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Good point and possibly true especially if you read certain other forums, but surely it would make sense then to join an established constitution rather than try and create one of your own?
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« Result #92 on Nov 19, 2009, 9:20am » | |
Nov 19, 2009, 8:58am, cobweb wrote:| ... the Regular Grand Lodge of England both of which are frustrated |
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Well I have spent perhaps 30 hours in the company of RGLE over a period of nine months. OK I dont know what happened in the lodge meetings themselves. I do agree that some that I met there were frustrated, but that in my opinion had more to do with if I remember correctly ugle lodges letting individuals down than anything else.
It is easy to criticise people who leave an organisation, and it is much harder to honestly and unbiastly look at precisely why they have left. Yes some may have left through ego issues for that is human nature, but I would suggest that at least some do it out of frustration that the system has let them down.
While RGLE was not for me, I for one wish it well.
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« Result #93 on Nov 19, 2009, 9:17am » | |
Don't know if I can post this so please delete if I have contravened the rules but I have just found a masonic forum that looks interesting. I do not know much about it and have only just joined but it might be worth a look.
http://bluecob.com/trestleboard
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